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Post by zachangel on Feb 10, 2014 7:30:34 GMT -5
flip, Obama made several false promises that we now know were lies from the start. Perhaps the least focused on but most important was his claim that everyone's premiums would come down. For anyone not willfully blinding himself or herself, this was always a ludicrous assertion. Now we know that the entire basis of ObamaCare is similar to Social Security in the sense that it requires enormous numbers of young healthy people to pay into the system in order to provide the funds for older and sicker people. Now, the problem is that a slim fraction of the necessary people are actually signing up, and even those who appear in the numbers are being shifted largely to medicare (at taxpayer cost). When the numbers don't work, the insurance companies are bailed out by the federal government through a system called "risk corridors," again at government cost. All of these costs well exceed anything the CBO used in their calculations.
On your latter point, Fox News polls were quite similar to every other major polling agency, typically showing Obama ahead of Romney throughout the entire campaign.
The problem with the quiz (at least the one I saw a few years ago) is that the "correct" answers were leftist opinions and democrat talking points.
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Post by flipthekidd on Feb 13, 2014 4:26:02 GMT -5
Obama NEVER made any claim that EVERYONE’s premiums would come down. You are indeed correct that would be a ludicrous assumption. You falsely claim that an “enormous” amount of young healthy people need to enroll to support the system which is yet another bogus claim from the uninformed. You make unsubstantiated claims about those who are being “shifted” to Medicare. As for the risk corridors it cuts both ways but as in the right wing fashion you only briefly touch on the most favorable view to support your argument.
You then go on to tell us how the costs (that are at this point nonexistent) exceed the forecast of the CBO. I do admire your prescience.
The Fox News polls in the last few weeks or so before the election were not on par with other major polls. Fox showed Romney ahead or tied. The Fox News pundits as well as hosts were certain that the major polling companies had skewed polls and directed their viewers to a website that had “corrected” polling data; remember Dick Morris or maybe Karl Rove. Rasmussen, which Fox relied heavily on, consistently showed Romney in the lead. Fox along with Hannity, on his radio show, had Rasmussen on as a regular guest. Rasmussen was one of the worst performers once again. Romney didn’t even bother to write a concession speech because he lived in the Fox News bubble.
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Post by zachangel on Feb 13, 2014 10:32:52 GMT -5
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Post by flipthekidd on Feb 14, 2014 1:24:41 GMT -5
I stated “Obama NEVER made any claim that EVERYONE’s premiums would come down.” You fail to demonstrate that Obama ever said “EVERYONE’s premiums would come down.” In fact the very link you provide leads me to believe that 57 percent of those in exchanges get a subsidy that will cover two-thirds of the total premium. The detractors seem to always leave out that a substantial number will receive a subsidy. Furthermore the very next paragraph states that AVERAGE premiums would go up maybe 30 percent, so with subsidies of about 67 percent?
In fact what I said is 100 percent true. You fail to provide any evidence that “he and his cronies said it countless times.” If they said it countless time why don’t you provide a YouTube video link?
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Post by flipthekidd on Feb 14, 2014 1:30:09 GMT -5
I failed to mention that fact-checker also made the observation that “One could argue that overall there are more winners than losers.”
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