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Post by zachangel on Jan 26, 2014 16:59:31 GMT -5
Sometimes I hear the JFN hosts say things like progressives are out of their minds, must be insane, or are impossible to figure out, etc. It seems to me that we need to know our enemy. In other words, to defeat them, we need to understand how their minds work, how and why they come up with the ideas they do, and I think you know Rush's famous phrase about knowing progressives like very glorious......
I would challenge you to try to figure out WHY they believe what they do on each and every issue, which better equips you to debate them. Yelling that they're crazy is not as useful as figuring them out.
Agree? Disagree?
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Post by Sam Whitfield on Jan 26, 2014 20:03:06 GMT -5
I completely agree Zach! And I think each of us strive to analyze the opposing viewpoint to the best of our ability. I have left-leaning relatives who I discuss politics with. I have always analyzed both sides of an issue to the best of my ability to find out what makes liberals tick. I think that the GOP establishment needs to take your recommendation. Anybody else have thoughts on this topic?
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Post by zachangel on Jan 27, 2014 18:03:53 GMT -5
Let me tell you the example I had in mind - Climate Change. I've heard on Sam's show and Caiden's show both hosts essentially characterize the Left as a bunch of nuts or silly people, etc. The fact is they have a very diabolical plan, which is to use Climate Change as an excuse for - totalitarian government, regulations on the private sector, increasing taxes, cutting the USA down to size relative to the rest of the world, electing democrats, etc. It's true that many simpletons on the left fall for the scam, but the real leaders in the movement care NOTHING about climate, just as they care nothing about black people, gay people, women, etc. You have to look to what they're aiming for, with any of these issues, and it's almost always totalitarian government. Never give the Left the benefit of the doubt of just being silly or nutty - they know what they're doing and they're damned good at it.
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Post by Sam Whitfield on Jan 27, 2014 20:55:41 GMT -5
Let me tell you the example I had in mind - Climate Change. I've heard on Sam's show and Caiden's show both hosts essentially characterize the Left as a bunch of nuts or silly people, etc. The fact is they have a very diabolical plan, which is to use Climate Change as an excuse for - totalitarian government, regulations on the private sector, increasing taxes, cutting the USA down to size relative to the rest of the world, electing democrats, etc. It's true that many simpletons on the left fall for the scam, but the real leaders in the movement care NOTHING about climate, just as they care nothing about black people, gay people, women, etc. You have to look to what they're aiming for, with any of these issues, and it's almost always totalitarian government. Never give the Left the benefit of the doubt of just being silly or nutty - they know what they're doing and they're damned good at it. I havent mentioned Global warming in quite a while zachangel. When I have said that the left is "silly and whacko" for Global warming, I'm not talking about the liberal leaders but rather the low information crowd as Rush Limbaugh calls them. I don't think that the low information crowd is diabolical but rather gullible. As for the elites who are forcing this bull-crap on the American people, I have no doubt that they know what they're doing and I am In complete agreement with you that conservatives (including myself) always need to study the tactics of those we face on the battlefield of ideas. You and I both know that they "stole" Rove's 04 campaign strategy playbook, made adjustments, and used it against the GOP in both 2008 and 2012. I can't speak for caidencowger but that's my response to your comment.  |
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Post by flipthekidd on Jan 28, 2014 0:12:27 GMT -5
It’s my experience that the “low information voters” are the Fox News viewers and Limbaugh listeners. There are several polls that support my claim, at least for the Fox News viewers. In fact one study showed that viewers who don’t even watch the news are better informed then Fox News viewers. I think that climate change is a perfect example of this unfortunate scenario.
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Post by Barbara on Jan 28, 2014 18:21:39 GMT -5
It’s my experience that the “low information voters” are the Fox News viewers and Limbaugh listeners. There are several polls that support my claim, at least for the Fox News viewers. In fact one study showed that viewers who don’t even watch the news are better informed then Fox News viewers. I think that climate change is a perfect example of this unfortunate scenario. Well I watch Fox news. I do believe I am well informed. |
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Post by zachangel on Jan 28, 2014 21:39:52 GMT -5
good response, Sam, and you're right that it's a mixture.
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Post by flipthekidd on Jan 29, 2014 1:09:26 GMT -5
Barbara, I would be surprised if anyone who watched Fox News as their main source of “news” would ever admit to or even know that they were uniformed or misinformed.
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Post by Barbara on Jan 29, 2014 19:19:16 GMT -5
well that's is the main news channel I watch.
an I am informed.
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Post by Sam Whitfield on Feb 1, 2014 2:13:21 GMT -5
It’s my experience that the “low information voters” are the Fox News viewers and Limbaugh listeners. There are several polls that support my claim, at least for the Fox News viewers. In fact one study showed that viewers who don’t even watch the news are better informed then Fox News viewers. I think that climate change is a perfect example of this unfortunate scenario. Who is this "poll" by? Media Matters for America? Anyone who says that Rush's audience is uninformed has most likely never heard Rush for any period of time over five minutes. He constantly does research and has been 97% Correct on what he's talking about. In order to a I political talk show like mine requires that you know what you're talking about and are informed on the issues. Same goes for Rush. |
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Post by zachangel on Feb 2, 2014 20:09:34 GMT -5
I read something to that affect once about Fox News viewers, and then I looked at the questions they asked, and every single one of them had a leftwing biased answer as the correct one, such as claiming that ObamaCare would add nothing to the deficit and would not increase peoples' health care costs. It was laughable. Almost all of the "wrong answers" they ascribed to Fox News viewers were actually correct.
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Post by flipthekidd on Feb 5, 2014 2:12:38 GMT -5
Sam come on now, Rush is 97% correct? That’s ludicrous! Rush is an entertainer not a journalist is he is demonstrable wrong on many, many things. You can check politifact.com, factcheck.org, Washington Post factchecker, and yes even Media Matters. Don’t shoot the messenger.
There are numerous polls out there that you can Google and then predictable make unfounded claims about their bias. Pew did a poll as did Farleigh Dickinson University which is the one that revealed that Fox News viewers were less informed that non news watchers.
If you rely on Rush, Breitbart , and/or Fox News let me assure you that you are not well informed.
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Post by flipthekidd on Feb 5, 2014 2:25:14 GMT -5
Zachangel, yea I read “something” that was inane so what now all polls that show Fox News viewers as uninformed or misinformed are without merit.
As for the Affordable Care Act adding to the deficit, the CBO says it won’t in fact it will cut the deficit by $100 billion and if repealed it would in fact add to the deficit.
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Post by zachangel on Feb 9, 2014 9:39:10 GMT -5
flip, to quote the CBO is not to quote fact, as the evidence on ObamaCare is now revealing. You and the people who formulated that quiz assumed it was ignorance that Fox News viewers were skeptical of the CBO projections, when in fact, the skepticism was perfectly reasonable and as it turns out - correct. The entire basis of ObamaCare was flawed in its economic assumptions. People who blindly accept what they're told by CBO or any other governmental organization are not smart, wise, informed or anything else laudable. They're sheep being led to our collective slaughter.
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Post by flipthekidd on Feb 10, 2014 2:24:15 GMT -5
Zach, I never said the CBO was factual I just gave a source for my claim, you fail at doing so. I gave attribution to my claim about Obama Care not adding to the deficit if you’re able then please give me a credible source for your statements and I will look into it. Obama Care has been in effect for all of six weeks and it we already know that the economic assumptions were flawed? I think Fox News viewers knew that before there ever was a bill because that’s what they want.
Yes Fox News viewers are always “skeptical” of the CBO when it doesn’t suit them. But when they can pick out a little tidbit like “Obama Care to destroy 2.5 million jobs” the CBO is to be blindly followed, even though those of us who fact check know the truth of what the report actually says.
As for the quiz, I had nothing to do with its authorship, there are such things as facts and those who admitted to watching Fox News fared worse than even those who don’t follow news. A bitter pill to be sure.
It sounds to me like I am a sheep being lead to slaughter because I don’t blindly follow what YOU are being told. It is apparent to those of us who actually fact check and consume news from various sources that those that follow Fox News and right wing radio live in a bubble and will never accept anything that fails to support the narrative they have created. Fox News coverage of the 2012 presidential campaign, and its denial of unbiased polling that was proven correct, is a perfect example of the far right living in a bubble. The words “epic fail” come to mind.
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